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Poster: hippie64 Date: Dec 5, 2009 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Skies; non dead as usual

Your kidding right?

Recent history would indicate all those attrocities, but there is almost 4000 years of Jewish history that went down before that , I mean I wasn't at that mountian w/ Moses or Abraham that day in the Siini desert so I can't speak first hand.
The Muslims came and claimed historical as well as religous authority over the holiest site in the world. The Rock and erected a Mousque over it, Muslims always claimed that Abraham was ordered to kill Ishmael not Isacc like Christians are taught in the Old Testament.
Whose right in this arguement , my beleif is that God will sort it out soon, she's busy right now, something on facebook again Peace and Grateful Dead music here at the forum for me please

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Poster: spacedface Date: Dec 5, 2009 2:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Skies; non dead as usual

"Your kidding right?"

ditto


"4000 years of Jewish history that went down before that"

They had a kingdom for only 75 years, and at that a small sliver than what they claim.


"The Muslims came and claimed historical as well as religous authority over the holiest site in the world."

Who are the Muslims? Really, ethnically? Where's the Jewish prophet that guides them now? There is none -- that's why the orthodox disagree with the zionists.

Historically the Muslims were able accommodate both Jews and Christians; now Jews spit on Chrisitans in Jerusalem.

Also, the holy site was made into a trash heap by the Chritians, who barred Jews from even visiting. The Muslims had to clean and renovate the site.


"Muslims always claimed that Abraham was ordered to kill Ishmael not Isacc like Christians are taught in the Old Testament."

Always is not close to true. Many do claim that, and it makes sense in terms of the life of Isma'il. But many Muslim scholars think that it was Ishaq, and many say it wasn't made clear because it is not essential to the story.

Now, what part of the Bible did some ancient Jews and Christians claim were changed?

Yeah peace, and just the facts please.

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Dec 5, 2009 2:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Skies; non dead as usual

Abraham is considered the founder of Judism and is thought to have lived in the second millineum B.C.E Moses considered the Father of judism is thought to have klived early in the first millineum B.C.E. and thought to have been as early as 1400 B.C.E.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_was_the_founder_of_Judaism

what else you got ? more rants ?

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Poster: spacedface Date: Dec 5, 2009 8:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Skies; non dead as usual

Also coveants were repealed a few times. Gensis 28:13-15 was already fulfilled by David & Solomon.

The Israeli rejection of Jesus, in history not current theology (an important point), marked the last time they let the deal go down.

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Dec 5, 2009 9:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Skies; non dead as usual

Religion has very little to do with it. Who worships what and how has little to consequence the way I see it. It's a blood fued that has went on like I said for 4000 years.

I see what your saying about Gen 28 13-15 God says to Abraham and Issac I will stay with you until I have fullfilled my promise, And he did .

YHWH (yahweh) fullfilled his promise to Abraham Issac and Ishmael. In Galatians 4 it states Ishmael was born according to the flesh and Issac was born according to the promise

In Qu'ran 2;133 Ismael is mentioned as Abraham Issac abd Ishmael. (in some Koranic lists he is not named)
Although born of Hagar not Sarah in mesopotamin law Ishmael is listed as Sarahs son.

Genesis 16--13-16 God makes his covenant with Abraham and Issac and sends the half-brother away to become "a great nation " genesis 17 An angel of the Lord tells Abrahams servant Hagar that her son "would be a wild donkey of a son, and his hand will be against everyone and everyones hand against his. And he will live East of all his brothers.

When I replied to the original post, I was only pointing out 40 years is a drop in the bucket when your looking for reasons for 9-11

I can't tell you about my philoshophical beliefs because I'm not sure about them myself Mahar Baba said don't worry be happy

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Poster: spacedface Date: Dec 5, 2009 7:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Skies; non dead as usual

"Abraham is considered the founder of Judism... Moses considered the Father of judism"

So, you're saying that anywhere Abraham lived and travelled belongs to people saying they're Jews solely? Where's the democracy that we selectively choose to war over?

Can you even say that Abraham was Jewish, since that word is from Judah, one of the 12 tribes? Those tribes are the children of Israel, that is, Jacob.

Note that Abraham is PRIOR to the definition of ethnic identity, a grandfather in a matrilineal succession even. And in case you didn't know, the "Abrahamic" religions include Christianity and Islam.

There was only a "Jewish" kingdom that lasted 75 or so years, you know David and Solomon. After them 10 tribes broke away.

I don't think this a rant; I'm not claiming scholarship. As you can surmise, all the terms that are used interchangedly now refer have different historical meanings.

All people are being tested in this life -- are we grateful or not. It's not a test purely on wealth, or lineage and social connections, and the gifted may actually carry a greater burden than they know!

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Dec 5, 2009 9:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Skies; non dead as usual

There was only a "Jewish" kingdom that lasted 75 or so years, you know David and Solomon. After them 10 tribes broke away.

Then King Solomon lost his marbles.

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Poster: gellin'10 Date: Dec 5, 2009 9:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Skies; non dead as usual, Trey's fault

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Poster: spacedface Date: Dec 6, 2009 4:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Skies; non dead as usual

"Then King Solomon lost his marbles. "

Hmm hadn't thought of it that way.

As a nattering nabob, another view is that those marbles eventually spawn the Messiah. The song itself seems to poise a choice between higher and lower.

Also, Google searches refer to odd bands and an old self-help manual against demonic activity that seems corrupted. Among other things, in this doc Solomon saws marbles and demons hate it.

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Dec 5, 2009 2:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Skies; non dead as usual

I have seen the orthodox jewish guy on youtube, kicking people and crap... thank yahweh and jehova he does not upgrade to bomb vests...

The elves were here long before the jews, man. Token Tolkien man.